[Ltsp-discuss] Deploying LTSP In The Cloud.

[Mahmoud Ramadan]

Hi dears,
I'm new to LTSP BUT still have basic experience with it including
installation and configuring thin and fat clients,everything works fine BUT
i need to know how to deploy it in the cloud to support thin and fat in
remote sites.

I have a centralized model in my environment where all the services are
deployed in the cloud to support remote sites using WAN access so the
question now how i can deploy LTSP in the cloud and run thin and fat
clients in the remote sites ?! Thanks in advance for any help !

Best Regards,

Mahmoud Ramadan Ali

Network and VOIP Specialist.

Mobil: ([phone]

Blog <http://hotciscolabs.blogspot.com/>| Website
<http://telecomandsecurity.com/>| LinkedIn
<http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/mahmoud-ali/99/923/421/en>

[jef peeraer]

x2go can come in handy here.

jef

On 09/04/2015 10:37 PM, Mahmoud Ramadan wrote:
> Hi dears,
> I'm new to LTSP BUT still have basic experience with it including
> installation and configuring thin and fat clients,everything works fine
> BUT i need to know how to deploy it in the cloud to support thin and fat
> in remote sites.
>
> I have a centralized model in my environment where all the services are
> deployed in the cloud to support remote sites using WAN access so the
> question now how i can deploy LTSP in the cloud and run thin and fat
> clients in the remote sites ?! Thanks in advance for any help !
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Mahmoud Ramadan Ali
>
> Network and VOIP Specialist.
>
> Mobil:([phone]
>
> Blog <http://hotciscolabs.blogspot.com/>| Website
> <http://telecomandsecurity.com/>| LinkedIn
> <http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/mahmoud-ali/99/923/421/en>
>
>
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[Mahmoud Ramadan]

What is the role that X2GO can play with LTSP and cloud deployment ?! do u
mean integration of LTSP and X2GO or replacement ?!

Best Regards,

Mahmoud Ramadan Ali

Network and VOIP Specialist.

Mobil: ([phone]

Blog <http://hotciscolabs.blogspot.com/>| Website
<http://telecomandsecurity.com/>| LinkedIn
<http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/mahmoud-ali/99/923/421/en>

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 3:41 PM, jef peeraer <***@telenet.be> wrote:

> x2go can come in handy here.
>
> jef
>
> On 09/04/2015 10:37 PM, Mahmoud Ramadan wrote:
> > Hi dears,
> > I'm new to LTSP BUT still have basic experience with it including
> > installation and configuring thin and fat clients,everything works fine
> > BUT i need to know how to deploy it in the cloud to support thin and fat
> > in remote sites.
> >
> > I have a centralized model in my environment where all the services are
> > deployed in the cloud to support remote sites using WAN access so the
> > question now how i can deploy LTSP in the cloud and run thin and fat
> > clients in the remote sites ?! Thanks in advance for any help !
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Mahmoud Ramadan Ali
> >
> > Network and VOIP Specialist.
> >
> > Mobil:([phone]
> >
> > Blog <http://hotciscolabs.blogspot.com/>| Website
> > <http://telecomandsecurity.com/>| LinkedIn
> > <http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/mahmoud-ali/99/923/421/en>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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[Valtteri Suojanen]

Hi

Cloud is very much service for anything. There are public and private clouds and everything between. Are you planning to but the services on internet?

I think you should check elsewhere like Nomachine first if you are to use remote site desktops from your clients

I understand LTSP is for deploying server environments in local networks where you can use different thin/fat clients. And server is just for local network. And you don't actually deploy LTSP, instead you use LTSP (package and plugins) to deploy these, very good thin/fat client environments on local networks. There is no built-in security for running LTSP server in production for WAN/internet

Valtteri Suojanen

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Aihe: [Ltsp-discuss] Deploying LTSP In The Cloud.

Hi dears,

I'm new to LTSP BUT still have basic experience with it including installation and configuring thin and fat clients,everything works fine BUT i need to know how to deploy it in the cloud to support thin and fat in remote sites.


I have a centralized model in my environment where all the services are deployed in the cloud to support remote sites using WAN access so the question now how i can deploy LTSP in the cloud and run thin and fat clients in the remote sites ?! Thanks in advance for any help !



Best Regards,
Mahmoud Ramadan Ali
Network and VOIP Specialist.
Mobil: ([phone]
Blog | Website | LinkedIn

[Mahmoud Ramadan]

I have NO problem to deploy one server in each remote site to push the
Thin/Fat client images to the clients in the LAN just to preserve more
bandwidth on the WAN then i place the LTSP servers in the cloud.

In other words, I'm thinking to deploy TFTP and PXE in each remote site so
the clients in the LAN can PXE boot and download their images locally,then
point them in the configuration file to LTSP servers in the cloud BUT i do
NOT know what modifications i need to do to point the Thin / Fat clients to
LTSP servers other than the servers running the TFTP service? If anyone can
clear that it will be appreciated !


Best Regards,

Mahmoud Ramadan Ali

Network and VOIP Specialist.

Mobil: ([phone]

Blog <http://hotciscolabs.blogspot.com/>| Website
<http://telecomandsecurity.com/>| LinkedIn
<http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/mahmoud-ali/99/923/421/en>

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Valtteri Suojanen <***@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi
>
> Cloud is very much service for anything. There are public and private
> clouds and everything between. Are you planning to but the services on
> internet?
>
> I think you should check elsewhere like Nomachine first if you are to use
> remote site desktops from your clients
>
> I understand LTSP is for deploying server environments in local networks
> where you can use different thin/fat clients. And server is just for local
> network. And you don't actually deploy LTSP, instead you use LTSP (package
> and plugins) to deploy these, very good thin/fat client environments on
> local networks. There is no built-in security for running LTSP server in
> production for WAN/internet
>
> Valtteri Suojanen
> ------------------------------
> LÀhettÀjÀ: Mahmoud Ramadan <***@gmail.com>
> LÀhetetty: ‎4.‎9.‎2015 23:40
> Vastaanottaja: ltsp-***@lists.sourceforge.net
> Aihe: [Ltsp-discuss] Deploying LTSP In The Cloud.
>
> Hi dears,
> I'm new to LTSP BUT still have basic experience with it including
> installation and configuring thin and fat clients,everything works fine BUT
> i need to know how to deploy it in the cloud to support thin and fat in
> remote sites.
>
> I have a centralized model in my environment where all the services are
> deployed in the cloud to support remote sites using WAN access so the
> question now how i can deploy LTSP in the cloud and run thin and fat
> clients in the remote sites ?! Thanks in advance for any help !
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Mahmoud Ramadan Ali
>
> Network and VOIP Specialist.
>
> Mobil: ([phone]
>
> Blog <http://hotciscolabs.blogspot.com/>| Website
> <http://telecomandsecurity.com/>| LinkedIn
> <http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/mahmoud-ali/99/923/421/en>
>
>
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>

[Mahmoud Ramadan]

Also as a side note: I read that X2GO can run the X2GO terminal server on
another OS that is separate from the X2GO PXE/TFTP server so that is
exactly what i want to achieve with LTSP...can anyone guide me through the
steps on how to achieve this please ? Thanks in advance friends.

Best Regards,

Mahmoud Ramadan Ali

Network and VOIP Specialist.

Mobil: ([phone]

Blog <http://hotciscolabs.blogspot.com/>| Website
<http://telecomandsecurity.com/>| LinkedIn
<http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/mahmoud-ali/99/923/421/en>

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Mahmoud Ramadan <
***@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have NO problem to deploy one server in each remote site to push the
> Thin/Fat client images to the clients in the LAN just to preserve more
> bandwidth on the WAN then i place the LTSP servers in the cloud.
>
> In other words, I'm thinking to deploy TFTP and PXE in each remote site so
> the clients in the LAN can PXE boot and download their images locally,then
> point them in the configuration file to LTSP servers in the cloud BUT i do
> NOT know what modifications i need to do to point the Thin / Fat clients to
> LTSP servers other than the servers running the TFTP service? If anyone can
> clear that it will be appreciated !
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Mahmoud Ramadan Ali
>
> Network and VOIP Specialist.
>
> Mobil: ([phone]
>
> Blog <http://hotciscolabs.blogspot.com/>| Website
> <http://telecomandsecurity.com/>| LinkedIn
> <http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/mahmoud-ali/99/923/421/en>
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Valtteri Suojanen <***@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Cloud is very much service for anything. There are public and private
>> clouds and everything between. Are you planning to but the services on
>> internet?
>>
>> I think you should check elsewhere like Nomachine first if you are to use
>> remote site desktops from your clients
>>
>> I understand LTSP is for deploying server environments in local networks
>> where you can use different thin/fat clients. And server is just for local
>> network. And you don't actually deploy LTSP, instead you use LTSP (package
>> and plugins) to deploy these, very good thin/fat client environments on
>> local networks. There is no built-in security for running LTSP server in
>> production for WAN/internet
>>
>> Valtteri Suojanen
>> ------------------------------
>> LÀhettÀjÀ: Mahmoud Ramadan <***@gmail.com>
>> LÀhetetty: ‎4.‎9.‎2015 23:40
>> Vastaanottaja: ltsp-***@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Aihe: [Ltsp-discuss] Deploying LTSP In The Cloud.
>>
>> Hi dears,
>> I'm new to LTSP BUT still have basic experience with it including
>> installation and configuring thin and fat clients,everything works fine BUT
>> i need to know how to deploy it in the cloud to support thin and fat in
>> remote sites.
>>
>> I have a centralized model in my environment where all the services are
>> deployed in the cloud to support remote sites using WAN access so the
>> question now how i can deploy LTSP in the cloud and run thin and fat
>> clients in the remote sites ?! Thanks in advance for any help !
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Mahmoud Ramadan Ali
>>
>> Network and VOIP Specialist.
>>
>> Mobil: ([phone]
>>
>> Blog <http://hotciscolabs.blogspot.com/>| Website
>> <http://telecomandsecurity.com/>| LinkedIn
>> <http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/mahmoud-ali/99/923/421/en>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _____________________________________________________________________
>> Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto:
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss
>> For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
>>
>>
>

[Helmut Lichtenberg]

Mahmoud Ramadan schrieb am 05.09.2015 19:27:
> I have NO problem to deploy one server in each remote site to push the
> Thin/Fat client images to the clients in the LAN just to preserve more
> bandwidth on the WAN then i place the LTSP servers in the cloud.
>
> In other words, I'm thinking to deploy TFTP and PXE in each remote site so
> the clients in the LAN can PXE boot and download their images locally,then
> point them in the configuration file to LTSP servers in the cloud BUT i do
> NOT know what modifications i need to do to point the Thin / Fat clients to
> LTSP servers other than the servers running the TFTP service? If anyone can
> clear that it will be appreciated !

I have separated all these services for years, and I like it. :^)

1. dhcp
The client's PXE/dhcp requests are served by a separate dhcp server. In the
dhcpd.conf file I have an entry like this:

group {
# tsi2, Image ist Debian Jessie 32-bit (i386):
next-server 10.1.3.30;
option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" {
filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
} else {
filename "/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz";
}
host otc3 { hardware ethernet 00:e0:c5:45:2b:85; fixed-address otc3; }
host c474 { hardware ethernet 00:01:2e:64:b5:3e; fixed-address c474; }
host hp7 { hardware ethernet c8:cb:b8:2e:0b:6e; fixed-address hp7; }
}

2. ltsp image
The dhcp server points to my image server (tsi2, 10.1.3.30). This server
provides the nbd image (or nfs if you prefer), the tftp service, and keeps the
configuration file lts.conf.

In the lts.conf on tsi2 I have entries like:

[c474]
LTS_SERVERS = lts2 lts3

[otc3]
LTS_SERVERS = lts3


3. ltsp application server
On my LTSP application servers (lts2, lts3), where all users work on, I have these
(Debian) packages installed:
ldm-server
ldm-themes
ltsp-docs
ltsp-server
ltspfs

4. Selecting the least loaded terminal server at thin client boot time for
some basic load balancing (maybe you don't need/want this):

Note: The variable LTS_SERVERS is home brewed, not standard. It is used by the
script /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/get_hosts. Maybe the default ltsp variable
LDM_SERVER is for just this purpose. Can someone confirm this?

Anyway, here's my script (shamelessly stolen from some nice guy):

#!/bin/bash
##############################################################################
# /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/get_hosts
##############################################################################

echo `date` >/tmp/lts-serverlist
LIST=""

# Load query on all servers
for i in $LTS_SERVERS; do
LOAD=`nc $i 9571|grep rating|cut -d: -f2`
if test $LOAD; then
# add to the list
LIST="$LIST$LOAD $i\n"
fi
done

# Now LIST contains the list of servers sorted by load
LIST=`echo -e $LIST | sort -nr`
echo $LIST >>/tmp/lts-serverlist

# Check if the 1st items have the same load. If so, randomly choose one.
OLDIFS=$IFS
IFS="
"
BESTLIST=( )
I=0
for LINE in $LIST ;do
LOAD=`echo $LINE|cut -f 1 -d " "`
if [ "$OLDLOAD" -a "$LOAD" != "$OLDLOAD" ] ;then
break
fi
BESTLIST[$I]="$LINE"
OLDLOAD=$LOAD
I=$((I+1))
done
RAND=$(( $RANDOM % $I ))
# print the choosen host
echo ${BESTLIST[$RAND]} | cut -f 2 -d " "

# and once again into a file for logging:
echo The Best: >>/tmp/lts-serverlist
echo ${BESTLIST[$RAND]} | cut -f 2 -d " " >>/tmp/lts-serverlist

exit 0
##############################################################################

HTH
Regards
Helmut

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[Mahmoud Ramadan]

Hi Helmu,
Thanks for the help and addressing that this is a valid deployment...i will
test this and contact you if something goes wrong.Thanks again.

Best Regards,

Mahmoud Ramadan Ali

Network and VOIP Specialist.

Mobil: ([phone]

Blog <http://hotciscolabs.blogspot.com/>| Website
<http://telecomandsecurity.com/>| LinkedIn
<http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/mahmoud-ali/99/923/421/en>

On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Helmut Lichtenberg <***@tzv.fal.de> wrote:

> Mahmoud Ramadan schrieb am 05.09.2015 19:27:
> > I have NO problem to deploy one server in each remote site to push the
> > Thin/Fat client images to the clients in the LAN just to preserve more
> > bandwidth on the WAN then i place the LTSP servers in the cloud.
> >
> > In other words, I'm thinking to deploy TFTP and PXE in each remote site
> so
> > the clients in the LAN can PXE boot and download their images
> locally,then
> > point them in the configuration file to LTSP servers in the cloud BUT i
> do
> > NOT know what modifications i need to do to point the Thin / Fat clients
> to
> > LTSP servers other than the servers running the TFTP service? If anyone
> can
> > clear that it will be appreciated !
>
> I have separated all these services for years, and I like it. :^)
>
> 1. dhcp
> The client's PXE/dhcp requests are served by a separate dhcp server. In the
> dhcpd.conf file I have an entry like this:
>
> group {
> # tsi2, Image ist Debian Jessie 32-bit (i386):
> next-server 10.1.3.30;
> option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
> if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient"
> {
> filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
> } else {
> filename "/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz";
> }
> host otc3 { hardware ethernet 00:e0:c5:45:2b:85; fixed-address
> otc3; }
> host c474 { hardware ethernet 00:01:2e:64:b5:3e; fixed-address
> c474; }
> host hp7 { hardware ethernet c8:cb:b8:2e:0b:6e; fixed-address hp7;
> }
> }
>
> 2. ltsp image
> The dhcp server points to my image server (tsi2, 10.1.3.30). This server
> provides the nbd image (or nfs if you prefer), the tftp service, and keeps
> the
> configuration file lts.conf.
>
> In the lts.conf on tsi2 I have entries like:
>
> [c474]
> LTS_SERVERS = lts2 lts3
>
> [otc3]
> LTS_SERVERS = lts3
>
>
> 3. ltsp application server
> On my LTSP application servers (lts2, lts3), where all users work on, I
> have these
> (Debian) packages installed:
> ldm-server
> ldm-themes
> ltsp-docs
> ltsp-server
> ltspfs
>
> 4. Selecting the least loaded terminal server at thin client boot time for
> some basic load balancing (maybe you don't need/want this):
>
> Note: The variable LTS_SERVERS is home brewed, not standard. It is used by
> the
> script /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/get_hosts. Maybe the default ltsp
> variable
> LDM_SERVER is for just this purpose. Can someone confirm this?
>
> Anyway, here's my script (shamelessly stolen from some nice guy):
>
> #!/bin/bash
>
> ##############################################################################
> # /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/get_hosts
>
> ##############################################################################
>
> echo `date` >/tmp/lts-serverlist
> LIST=""
>
> # Load query on all servers
> for i in $LTS_SERVERS; do
> LOAD=`nc $i 9571|grep rating|cut -d: -f2`
> if test $LOAD; then
> # add to the list
> LIST="$LIST$LOAD $i\n"
> fi
> done
>
> # Now LIST contains the list of servers sorted by load
> LIST=`echo -e $LIST | sort -nr`
> echo $LIST >>/tmp/lts-serverlist
>
> # Check if the 1st items have the same load. If so, randomly choose one.
> OLDIFS=$IFS
> IFS="
> "
> BESTLIST=( )
> I=0
> for LINE in $LIST ;do
> LOAD=`echo $LINE|cut -f 1 -d " "`
> if [ "$OLDLOAD" -a "$LOAD" != "$OLDLOAD" ] ;then
> break
> fi
> BESTLIST[$I]="$LINE"
> OLDLOAD=$LOAD
> I=$((I+1))
> done
> RAND=$(( $RANDOM % $I ))
> # print the choosen host
> echo ${BESTLIST[$RAND]} | cut -f 2 -d " "
>
> # and once again into a file for logging:
> echo The Best: >>/tmp/lts-serverlist
> echo ${BESTLIST[$RAND]} | cut -f 2 -d " " >>/tmp/lts-serverlist
>
> exit 0
>
> ##############################################################################
>
> HTH
> Regards
> Helmut
>
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> Institut fÃŒr Nutztiergenetik (FLI) 31535 Neustadt Germany
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>
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[Johan Kragsterman]

Hi!


Many have wanted to do just that, to centralize administration and services for LTSP at the "cloud".

There are no obvious ways to do it in a simple way, but you can do it by yourself in some different ways.

I think you said you should have LTSP servers running on all remote sites? Ok, and then you can mirror the /opt to centralized LTSP servers, for getting the same chroot in all places.

You can have centralized identity and authorization systems, and if you need it slave servers for those in the local environment.

The biggest problem is probably the file services. You will probably need local nfs servers, that use wan optimization/cacheing of the centralized nfs servers, to get a good enough service.


All of this is a lot of work, and you don't really know how good or bad it will turn out.

What I would have done, though, would be to use Thinlinc from Cendio. Will not be free, but will solve all of this. I've tried many of these thin client solutions, including nomachine and sunray, and no one beats thinlinc.

Regards Johan


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Till: <ltsp-***@lists.sourceforge.net>
Från: Valtteri Suojanen <***@gmail.com>
Datum: 2015-09-05 17:08
Ärende: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Deploying LTSP In The Cloud.

Hi

Cloud is very much service for anything. There are public and private clouds and everything between. Are you planning to but the services on internet?

I think you should check elsewhere like Nomachine first if you are to use remote site desktops from your clients

I understand LTSP is for deploying server environments in local networks where you can use different thin/fat clients. And server is just for local network. And you don't actually deploy LTSP, instead you use LTSP (package and plugins) to deploy these, very good  thin/fat client environments on local networks. There is no built-in security for running LTSP server in production for WAN/internet

Valtteri Suojanen
Lähettäjä: Mahmoud Ramadan
Lähetetty: &#8206;4.&#8206;9.&#8206;2015 23:40
Vastaanottaja: ltsp-***@lists.sourceforge.net
Aihe: [Ltsp-discuss] Deploying LTSP In The Cloud.

Hi dears,
I'm new to LTSP BUT still have basic experience with it including installation and configuring thin and fat clients,everything works fine BUT i need to know how to deploy it in the cloud to support thin and fat in remote sites.

I have a centralized model in my environment where all the services are deployed in the cloud to support remote sites using WAN access so the question now how i can deploy LTSP in the cloud and run thin and fat clients in the remote sites ?! Thanks in advance for any help !

Best Regards,

Mahmoud Ramadan Ali

Network and VOIP Specialist.

Mobil: ([phone]

Blog | Website | LinkedIn

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[Mahmoud Ramadan]

Hi Johan,
But what do you think about X2GO ? do you have experience with it before ?
i read that it can separate the X2GO terminal server role from the PXE
server role easily...also can i install TFTP and PXE on one server and LTSP
on another server ? did you tried this before ? and if so how i can point
the thin clients to a LTSP server that is NOT running on the TFRP / PXE
server ? Thanks in advance.

Best Regards,

Mahmoud Ramadan Ali

Network and VOIP Specialist.

Mobil: ([phone]

Blog <http://hotciscolabs.blogspot.com/>| Website
<http://telecomandsecurity.com/>| LinkedIn
<http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/mahmoud-ali/99/923/421/en>

On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Johan Kragsterman <
***@capvert.se> wrote:

> Hi!
>
>
> Many have wanted to do just that, to centralize administration and
> services for LTSP at the "cloud".
>
> There are no obvious ways to do it in a simple way, but you can do it by
> yourself in some different ways.
>
> I think you said you should have LTSP servers running on all remote sites?
> Ok, and then you can mirror the /opt to centralized LTSP servers, for
> getting the same chroot in all places.
>
> You can have centralized identity and authorization systems, and if you
> need it slave servers for those in the local environment.
>
> The biggest problem is probably the file services. You will probably need
> local nfs servers, that use wan optimization/cacheing of the centralized
> nfs servers, to get a good enough service.
>
>
> All of this is a lot of work, and you don't really know how good or bad it
> will turn out.
>
> What I would have done, though, would be to use Thinlinc from Cendio. Will
> not be free, but will solve all of this. I've tried many of these thin
> client solutions, including nomachine and sunray, and no one beats thinlinc.
>
> Regards Johan
>
>
> -----Valtteri Suojanen <***@gmail.com> skrev: -----
> Till: <ltsp-***@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Från: Valtteri Suojanen <***@gmail.com>
> Datum: 2015-09-05 17:08
> Ärende: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Deploying LTSP In The Cloud.
>
> Hi
>
> Cloud is very much service for anything. There are public and private
> clouds and everything between. Are you planning to but the services on
> internet?
>
> I think you should check elsewhere like Nomachine first if you are to use
> remote site desktops from your clients
>
> I understand LTSP is for deploying server environments in local networks
> where you can use different thin/fat clients. And server is just for local
> network. And you don't actually deploy LTSP, instead you use LTSP (package
> and plugins) to deploy these, very good thin/fat client environments on
> local networks. There is no built-in security for running LTSP server in
> production for WAN/internet
>
> Valtteri Suojanen
> LÀhettÀjÀ: Mahmoud Ramadan
> LÀhetetty: &#8206;4.&#8206;9.&#8206;2015 23:40
> Vastaanottaja: ltsp-***@lists.sourceforge.net
> Aihe: [Ltsp-discuss] Deploying LTSP In The Cloud.
>
> Hi dears,
> I'm new to LTSP BUT still have basic experience with it including
> installation and configuring thin and fat clients,everything works fine BUT
> i need to know how to deploy it in the cloud to support thin and fat in
> remote sites.
>
> I have a centralized model in my environment where all the services are
> deployed in the cloud to support remote sites using WAN access so the
> question now how i can deploy LTSP in the cloud and run thin and fat
> clients in the remote sites ?! Thanks in advance for any help !
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Mahmoud Ramadan Ali
>
> Network and VOIP Specialist.
>
> Mobil: ([phone]
>
> Blog | Website | LinkedIn
>
>
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[Johan Kragsterman]

Hi!


I know nothing about X2GO, but you can install and run pxe on whatever you want, and run the LTSP server without it. But tftp is serving the client environment, so that one needs to be a part of the LTSP service, as far as I can see. If you bring that out of LTSP, what is left? Not much...

You use dhcpd.conf to point the clients to the boot environments.


Best regards from/Med vänliga hälsningar från

Johan Kragsterman

Capvert


-----Mahmoud Ramadan <***@gmail.com> skrev: -----
Till: ltsp-***@lists.sourceforge.net
Från: Mahmoud Ramadan <***@gmail.com>
Datum: 2015-09-06 21:15
Ärende: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Ang: Re: Deploying LTSP In The Cloud.

Hi Johan,
But what do you think about  X2GO ? do you have experience with it before ? i read that it can separate the X2GO terminal server role from the PXE server role easily...also can i install TFTP and PXE on one server and LTSP on another server ? did you tried this before ? and if so how i can point the thin clients to a LTSP server that is NOT running on the TFRP / PXE server ? Thanks in advance.

Best Regards,

Mahmoud Ramadan Ali

Network and VOIP Specialist.

Mobil: ([phone]

Blog | Website | LinkedIn


On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Johan Kragsterman <***@capvert.se> wrote:
Hi!


Many have wanted to do just that, to centralize administration and services for LTSP at the "cloud".

There are no obvious ways to do it in a simple way, but you can do it by yourself in some different ways.

I think you said you should have LTSP servers running on all remote sites? Ok, and then you can mirror the /opt to centralized LTSP servers, for getting the same chroot in all places.

You can have centralized identity and authorization systems, and if you need it slave servers for those in the local environment.

The biggest problem is probably the file services. You will probably need local nfs servers, that use wan optimization/cacheing of the centralized nfs servers, to get a good enough service.


All of this is a lot of work, and you don't really know how good or bad it will turn out.

What I would have done, though, would be to use Thinlinc from Cendio. Will not be free, but will solve all of this. I've tried many of these thin client solutions, including nomachine and sunray, and no one beats thinlinc.

Regards Johan


-----Valtteri Suojanen <***@gmail.com> skrev: -----
Till: <ltsp-***@lists.sourceforge.net>
Från: Valtteri Suojanen <***@gmail.com>
Datum: 2015-09-05 17:08
Ärende: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Deploying LTSP In The Cloud.

Hi

Cloud is very much service for anything. There are public and private clouds and everything between. Are you planning to but the services on internet?

I think you should check elsewhere like Nomachine first if you are to use remote site desktops from your clients

I understand LTSP is for deploying server environments in local networks where you can use different thin/fat clients. And server is just for local network. And you don't actually deploy LTSP, instead you use LTSP (package and plugins) to deploy these, very good  thin/fat client environments on local networks. There is no built-in security for running LTSP server in production for WAN/internet

Valtteri Suojanen
Lähettäjä: Mahmoud Ramadan
Lähetetty: &#8206;4.&#8206;9.&#8206;2015 23:40
Vastaanottaja: ltsp-***@lists.sourceforge.net
Aihe: [Ltsp-discuss] Deploying LTSP In The Cloud.

Hi dears,
I'm new to LTSP BUT still have basic experience with it including installation and configuring thin and fat clients,everything works fine BUT i need to know how to deploy it in the cloud to support thin and fat in remote sites.

I have a centralized model in my environment where all the services are deployed in the cloud to support remote sites using WAN access so the question now how i can deploy LTSP in the cloud and run thin and fat clients in the remote sites ?! Thanks in advance for any help !

Best Regards,

Mahmoud Ramadan Ali

Network and VOIP Specialist.

Mobil: ([phone]

Blog | Website | LinkedIn

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[Mahmoud Ramadan]

Ok thanks for the help...i will try it with LTSP and i tjink that X2GO is
worthy to have loot at...Thanks for the help.

Best Regards,

Mahmoud Ramadan Ali

Network and VOIP Specialist.

Mobil: ([phone]

Blog <http://hotciscolabs.blogspot.com/>| Website
<http://telecomandsecurity.com/>| LinkedIn
<http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/mahmoud-ali/99/923/421/en>

On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Johan Kragsterman <
***@capvert.se> wrote:

>
> Hi!
>
>
> I know nothing about X2GO, but you can install and run pxe on whatever you
> want, and run the LTSP server without it. But tftp is serving the client
> environment, so that one needs to be a part of the LTSP service, as far as
> I can see. If you bring that out of LTSP, what is left? Not much...
>
> You use dhcpd.conf to point the clients to the boot environments.
>
>
> Best regards from/Med vÀnliga hÀlsningar från
>
> Johan Kragsterman
>
> Capvert
>
>
> -----Mahmoud Ramadan <***@gmail.com> skrev: -----
> Till: ltsp-***@lists.sourceforge.net
> Från: Mahmoud Ramadan <***@gmail.com>
> Datum: 2015-09-06 21:15
> Ärende: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Ang: Re: Deploying LTSP In The Cloud.
>
> Hi Johan,
> But what do you think about X2GO ? do you have experience with it before
> ? i read that it can separate the X2GO terminal server role from the PXE
> server role easily...also can i install TFTP and PXE on one server and LTSP
> on another server ? did you tried this before ? and if so how i can point
> the thin clients to a LTSP server that is NOT running on the TFRP / PXE
> server ? Thanks in advance.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Mahmoud Ramadan Ali
>
> Network and VOIP Specialist.
>
> Mobil: ([phone]
>
> Blog | Website | LinkedIn
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Johan Kragsterman <
> ***@capvert.se> wrote:
> Hi!
>
>
> Many have wanted to do just that, to centralize administration and
> services for LTSP at the "cloud".
>
> There are no obvious ways to do it in a simple way, but you can do it by
> yourself in some different ways.
>
> I think you said you should have LTSP servers running on all remote sites?
> Ok, and then you can mirror the /opt to centralized LTSP servers, for
> getting the same chroot in all places.
>
> You can have centralized identity and authorization systems, and if you
> need it slave servers for those in the local environment.
>
> The biggest problem is probably the file services. You will probably need
> local nfs servers, that use wan optimization/cacheing of the centralized
> nfs servers, to get a good enough service.
>
>
> All of this is a lot of work, and you don't really know how good or bad it
> will turn out.
>
> What I would have done, though, would be to use Thinlinc from Cendio. Will
> not be free, but will solve all of this. I've tried many of these thin
> client solutions, including nomachine and sunray, and no one beats thinlinc.
>
> Regards Johan
>
>
> -----Valtteri Suojanen <***@gmail.com> skrev: -----
> Till: <ltsp-***@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Från: Valtteri Suojanen <***@gmail.com>
> Datum: 2015-09-05 17:08
> Ärende: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Deploying LTSP In The Cloud.
>
> Hi
>
> Cloud is very much service for anything. There are public and private
> clouds and everything between. Are you planning to but the services on
> internet?
>
> I think you should check elsewhere like Nomachine first if you are to use
> remote site desktops from your clients
>
> I understand LTSP is for deploying server environments in local networks
> where you can use different thin/fat clients. And server is just for local
> network. And you don't actually deploy LTSP, instead you use LTSP (package
> and plugins) to deploy these, very good thin/fat client environments on
> local networks. There is no built-in security for running LTSP server in
> production for WAN/internet
>
> Valtteri Suojanen
> LÀhettÀjÀ: Mahmoud Ramadan
> LÀhetetty: &#8206;4.&#8206;9.&#8206;2015 23:40
> Vastaanottaja: ltsp-***@lists.sourceforge.net
> Aihe: [Ltsp-discuss] Deploying LTSP In The Cloud.
>
> Hi dears,
> I'm new to LTSP BUT still have basic experience with it including
> installation and configuring thin and fat clients,everything works fine BUT
> i need to know how to deploy it in the cloud to support thin and fat in
> remote sites.
>
> I have a centralized model in my environment where all the services are
> deployed in the cloud to support remote sites using WAN access so the
> question now how i can deploy LTSP in the cloud and run thin and fat
> clients in the remote sites ?! Thanks in advance for any help !
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Mahmoud Ramadan Ali
>
> Network and VOIP Specialist.
>
> Mobil: ([phone]
>
> Blog | Website | LinkedIn
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
>
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[Raphaël RIGNIER]

Hi.  Ltsp server has to be on same host as tftp. To have all parts working like ltsp-update-images. 
Ideally you'll need 1 server per lan.
what you need is to config client chroot to have x2goclient points to any server with x2go agent. 


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Hi Johan,
But what do you think about  X2GO ? do you have experience with it before ? i read that it can separate the X2GO terminal server role from the PXE server role easily...also can i install TFTP and PXE on one server and LTSP on another server ? did you tried this before ? and if so how i can point the thin clients to a LTSP server that is NOT running on the TFRP / PXE server ? Thanks in advance.

Best Regards,

Mahmoud Ramadan Ali

Network and VOIP Specialist.

Mobil: ([phone]

Blog | Website | LinkedIn


On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Johan Kragsterman <***@capvert.se> wrote:
Hi!


Many have wanted to do just that, to centralize administration and services for LTSP at the "cloud".

There are no obvious ways to do it in a simple way, but you can do it by yourself in some different ways.

I think you said you should have LTSP servers running on all remote sites? Ok, and then you can mirror the /opt to centralized LTSP servers, for getting the same chroot in all places.

You can have centralized identity and authorization systems, and if you need it slave servers for those in the local environment.

The biggest problem is probably the file services. You will probably need local nfs servers, that use wan optimization/cacheing of the centralized nfs servers, to get a good enough service.


All of this is a lot of work, and you don't really know how good or bad it will turn out.

What I would have done, though, would be to use Thinlinc from Cendio. Will not be free, but will solve all of this. I've tried many of these thin client solutions, including nomachine and sunray, and no one beats thinlinc.

Regards Johan


-----Valtteri Suojanen <***@gmail.com> skrev: -----
Till: <ltsp-***@lists.sourceforge.net>
Från: Valtteri Suojanen <***@gmail.com>
Datum: 2015-09-05 17:08
Ärende: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Deploying LTSP In The Cloud.

Hi

Cloud is very much service for anything. There are public and private clouds and everything between. Are you planning to but the services on internet?

I think you should check elsewhere like Nomachine first if you are to use remote site desktops from your clients

I understand LTSP is for deploying server environments in local networks where you can use different thin/fat clients. And server is just for local network. And you don't actually deploy LTSP, instead you use LTSP (package and plugins) to deploy these, very good  thin/fat client environments on local networks. There is no built-in security for running LTSP server in production for WAN/internet

Valtteri Suojanen
LÀhettÀjÀ: Mahmoud Ramadan
LÀhetetty: &#8206;4.&#8206;9.&#8206;2015 23:40
Vastaanottaja: ltsp-***@lists.sourceforge.net
Aihe: [Ltsp-discuss] Deploying LTSP In The Cloud.

Hi dears,
I'm new to LTSP BUT still have basic experience with it including installation and configuring thin and fat clients,everything works fine BUT i need to know how to deploy it in the cloud to support thin and fat in remote sites.

I have a centralized model in my environment where all the services are deployed in the cloud to support remote sites using WAN access so the question now how i can deploy LTSP in the cloud and run thin and fat clients in the remote sites ?! Thanks in advance for any help !

Best Regards,

Mahmoud Ramadan Ali

Network and VOIP Specialist.

Mobil: ([phone]

Blog | Website | LinkedIn

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