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[Ltsp-discuss] Mate vs Unity in "low graphics mode"
David Groos
2016-08-17 01:57:53 UTC
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Hi LTSP folks!

First post here. I recently saw on ubuntu.com website (link with pertinent
text pasted below) in their announcement of 16.04.1. Wonder how Unity under
low graphics mode works compared to Mate. Am leaning towards Mate since
it's quick AND used in Greek schools (so more supported). But, students do
like Unity. Anyone know how these compare for LTSP-pnp (will be using FAT
clients)? I'm wondering about speed and reliability.

Thanks,
David G



From:
https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/07/28/ubuntu-version-16-04-point-1-is-out/

Low graphics mode
An interesting improvement for users of older hardware, those who might
access their machines over a remote-desktop connection or users of virtual
machines. We have been working on improving the optimisations for lower
powered graphics hardware or software backed rendering. The Unity 7 desktop
makes use of modern graphics hardware to display desktop components such as
the dash and to provide visual enhancements to the daily operation of the
desktop. In order to speed up the rendering of the desktop on less powerful
machines we have reduced or removed a lot of the animations and blur
effects. Low graphics mode has always been included in Unity 7 but we are
now a being a bit more aggressive when it comes to disabling some of these
effects. Unity 7 will automatically detect if your hardware is supported
for the full experience and if not it will enable low graphics mode. Users
can also manually enable low graphics mode but those instructions are
beyond the scope of this post and will be followed up in a separate post.
Keep an eye on the usual social media channels for more information.
Alkis Georgopoulos
2016-08-17 09:18:59 UTC
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Hi David,

I haven't tried the low graphics mode.

I'm guessing that it won't be used at all in fat clients, since they run
unity locally and not remotely. So the normal graphics mode will be used.

It should help in thin clients, but I don't know how much, since it'll
still be using the slow llvmpipe.

Cheers,
Alkis
Post by David Groos
Hi LTSP folks!
First post here. I recently saw on ubuntu.com <http://ubuntu.com>
website (link with pertinent text pasted below) in their announcement of
16.04.1. Wonder how Unity under low graphics mode works compared to
Mate. Am leaning towards Mate since it's quick AND used in Greek schools
(so more supported). But, students do like Unity. Anyone know how these
compare for LTSP-pnp (will be using FAT clients)? I'm wondering about
speed and reliability.
Thanks,
David G
https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/07/28/ubuntu-version-16-04-point-1-is-out/
Low graphics mode
An interesting improvement for users of older hardware, those who might
access their machines over a remote-desktop connection or users of
virtual machines. We have been working on improving the optimisations
for lower powered graphics hardware or software backed rendering. The
Unity 7 desktop makes use of modern graphics hardware to display desktop
components such as the dash and to provide visual enhancements to the
daily operation of the desktop. In order to speed up the rendering of
the desktop on less powerful machines we have reduced or removed a lot
of the animations and blur effects. Low graphics mode has always been
included in Unity 7 but we are now a being a bit more aggressive when it
comes to disabling some of these effects. Unity 7 will automatically
detect if your hardware is supported for the full experience and if not
it will enable low graphics mode. Users can also manually enable low
graphics mode but those instructions are beyond the scope of this post
and will be followed up in a separate post. Keep an eye on the usual
social media channels for more information.
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David Groos
2016-08-17 20:27:43 UTC
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Hi Alkis, That settles it, Mate it is. Do I want 1.12 or the newer 1.14,
the former is what downloads from Mate's web page when I download the
arch64 version but there's an update, apparently:
https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/mate-desktop-114-for-xenial-xerus/.

Thanks,
David
Post by Alkis Georgopoulos
Hi David,
I haven't tried the low graphics mode.
I'm guessing that it won't be used at all in fat clients, since they run
unity locally and not remotely. So the normal graphics mode will be used.
It should help in thin clients, but I don't know how much, since it'll
still be using the slow llvmpipe.
Cheers,
Alkis
Post by David Groos
Hi LTSP folks!
First post here. I recently saw on ubuntu.com <http://ubuntu.com>
website (link with pertinent text pasted below) in their announcement of
16.04.1. Wonder how Unity under low graphics mode works compared to
Mate. Am leaning towards Mate since it's quick AND used in Greek schools
(so more supported). But, students do like Unity. Anyone know how these
compare for LTSP-pnp (will be using FAT clients)? I'm wondering about
speed and reliability.
Thanks,
David G
https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/07/28/ubuntu-version-16-
04-point-1-is-out/
Post by David Groos
Low graphics mode
An interesting improvement for users of older hardware, those who might
access their machines over a remote-desktop connection or users of
virtual machines. We have been working on improving the optimisations
for lower powered graphics hardware or software backed rendering. The
Unity 7 desktop makes use of modern graphics hardware to display desktop
components such as the dash and to provide visual enhancements to the
daily operation of the desktop. In order to speed up the rendering of
the desktop on less powerful machines we have reduced or removed a lot
of the animations and blur effects. Low graphics mode has always been
included in Unity 7 but we are now a being a bit more aggressive when it
comes to disabling some of these effects. Unity 7 will automatically
detect if your hardware is supported for the full experience and if not
it will enable low graphics mode. Users can also manually enable low
graphics mode but those instructions are beyond the scope of this post
and will be followed up in a separate post. Keep an eye on the usual
social media channels for more information.
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Jigish Gohil
2016-08-18 04:26:17 UTC
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Hi Alkis, That settles it, Mate it is. Do I want 1.12 or the newer 1.14, the
former is what downloads from Mate's web page when I download the arch64
https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/mate-desktop-114-for-xenial-xerus/.
This iso has Ubuntu 16.04.1 and Mate 1.14:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/cyberorg-home/files/Li-f-e/

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Cheers

-J
David Groos
2016-08-18 05:08:50 UTC
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Hi Jigish

Nice to see such activity for education. Looks like someone/s has put a lot
of effort in loading up that image. For my use I'll actually be stripping
off applications from the basic Mate iso. Looks like I can do a post 1.12
install of 1.14 with:
sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-mate-dev/xenial-mate
sudo apt update
sudo apt dist-upgrade

Thanks for the reference,
David
Post by Jigish Gohil
Post by David Groos
Hi Alkis, That settles it, Mate it is. Do I want 1.12 or the newer 1.14,
the
Post by David Groos
former is what downloads from Mate's web page when I download the arch64
https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/mate-desktop-114-for-xenial-xerus/.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/cyberorg-home/files/Li-f-e/
https://a.fsdn.com/con/app/proj/cyberorg-home/
screenshots/li-f-e-16.04.1.png
Cheers
-J
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Alkis Georgopoulos
2016-08-18 05:04:33 UTC
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Post by David Groos
Hi Alkis, That settles it, Mate it is. Do I want 1.12 or the newer 1.14,
the former is what downloads from Mate's web page when I download the
https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/mate-desktop-114-for-xenial-xerus/.
Personally I prefer using the stock version provided by Ubuntu, rather
than newer versions found in PPAs, unless there's some very specific
problem that is only solved with the PPA version.

The stock versions are usually more tested and supported.
David Groos
2016-08-18 05:16:53 UTC
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Interesting, I assumed that the 1.14 would have more bug-fixes as this page
seems to imply: http://mate-desktop.com/blog/2016-04-08-mate-1-14-released/

Thanks for sharing your perspective!

David
Post by Alkis Georgopoulos
Post by David Groos
Hi Alkis, That settles it, Mate it is. Do I want 1.12 or the newer 1.14,
the former is what downloads from Mate's web page when I download the
https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/mate-desktop-114-for-xenial-xerus/.
Personally I prefer using the stock version provided by Ubuntu, rather
than newer versions found in PPAs, unless there's some very specific
problem that is only solved with the PPA version.
The stock versions are usually more tested and supported.
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